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[Gwyn Knight]

A friend of mine told me to come into this group, and I can totally see why!

I am 35, 5'4" and have now peaked at a huge 142.5 lbs (about 33% body fat). Not good and I'm not happy. I eat under 1200 cals per day (4 smaller meals of chicken, veggies and coffee), walk 4.5 mph/ 1hr 3 times a week and light weight training 3 times per week.

I travel a lot and have a very busy schedule, getting to the gym is very difficult as it stands. Most of my cardio is with a pacer and outside my hotel.

I have ordered some HGH and will start next week. My question is that I was told doing a stack of Deca, Primo and Wintrol would show me better results, with the routine I have established. Reading some of the posts have now made me think of other options.

My goal is to lose 25 lbs and look good again. I don't want to compete, or build mass, just look good.

[Rrrrolla]

Originally posted by Gwyn Knight
A friend of mine told me to come into this group, and I can totally see why!

I am 35, 5'4" and have now peaked at a huge 142.5 lbs (about 33% body fat). Not good and I'm not happy. I eat under 1200 cals per day (4 smaller meals of chicken, veggies and coffee), walk 4.5 mph/ 1hr 3 times a week and light weight training 3 times per week.

I travel a lot and have a very busy schedule, getting to the gym is very difficult as it stands. Most of my cardio is with a pacer and outside my hotel.

I have ordered some HGH and will start next week. My question is that I was told doing a stack of Deca, Primo and Wintrol would show me better results, with the routine I have established. Reading some of the posts have now made me think of other options.



My goal is to lose 25 lbs and look good again. I don't want to compete, or build mass, just look good.

Ummm... I think someone has led you astray, the drugs you are proposing are NOT needed AT ALL to accomplish your goals. No matter what you put in your body drug wise, you will not lose weight if your diet is off as much as it must be.

What you need to do first is tell us EXACTLY what your current diet consists of, if you cannot and you eat variably from day to day, and connot even tell us a macro-nutrient approximate breakdown of your diet, you are on the way wrong path.

Do not touch any of those drugs, please! Even hgh is a huge mistake at this point. You need to stick around here and do alot more diet research I suspect. The drugs are only used for the purpose of holdig muscle while you diet, and you don't need them to reach your goals. Look for information on CKD diets, they are the most efficient diets for fat loss and muscle retention. Give yourself 16 weeks to reach your goal, and stick to your diet religiously.

[Led Hed]

Originally posted by Rrrrolla
Ummm... I think someone has led you astray, the drugs you are proposing are NOT needed AT ALL to accomplish your goals. No matter what you put in your body drug wise, you will not lose weight if your diet is off as much as it must be.

What you need to do first is tell us EXACTLY what your current diet consists of, if you cannot and you eat variably from day to day, and connot even tell us a macro-nutrient approximate breakdown of your diet, you are on the way wrong path.

Do not touch any of those drugs, please! Even hgh is a huge mistake at this point. You need to stick around here and do alot more diet research I suspect. The drugs are only used for the purpose of holdig muscle while you diet, and you don't need them to reach your goals. Look for information on CKD diets, they are the most efficient diets for fat loss and muscle retention. Give yourself 16 weeks to reach your goal, and stick to your diet religiously.

BUMP! You don't need all those drugs to help you lose 25 lbs. Take the advice that Rrrrolla has given you to heart - it's a lot better that way!!!

[egger]

Rollla is 100% right. U dont need roids to lose fat. Heres what I recomend, hire a nutritionist or personal trainer someone who knows how to diet. Get them to put u on a better program. Now as far as ur eating 1200 cals and doing 3 hoours of cardio a week I simply dont beleive it. Thres no way ur eating only 1200 cals 7 days a week and doing 3 hours of cardio and are at 33% fat. Simply put I think ur underestimating ur calorie intake. 1200 is the lowest cal intake I would ever put a female athlete on, more for a male. Try dubbling ur cardio and for a week actually right now everythign u eat by weight and in much detail as possible get the person u hire to analyze it and thell likely find a diff story. I know for myself whne I am hired the more details I get the better the diet I can recomend. its hard to just say eat this and do this without knowing what ur currently doing. GOOD LUCK!!

[p.s.]

I also agree with Rrrolla and IMO your diat is probably way off as is your cardio (no one needs that much cardio if they're training hard!) I suggest that you use the hotels gym (most have some type of workout facility) and for cardio try running the hotel stairs for your AM cardio IE run up the stairs and then quickly walk back down try this for 15-20 mins.

Generally the more muscle one builds the easier it is to get lean and maintain a lower BF percentage. I also agreee that your cals are WAY to low and as such your metabolism has probably slowed right down and you're now preserving BF and using muscle for energy. I suggest that you take 2 days off your diet and eat as much as you want (this will stimulate your metabolism) and then restructure your diet to a CKD and keep the cals at no less than 1500 per day and eat a minimum of 6 small meals throughout the day plus lots of water (1-2 gallons).

As was suggested give us a breakdown of your current diet and we should be able to give ya suggestions/advice as to how to eat to lose all that BF.

[Prisoner#22]

At 35 you should probably have your thyroid levels checked as well to make sure you are not hypo.

Especially before you start using HGH.

[deannescollard]

As everyone here has said, please do not follow the advice of your friend. You don't need anything like HGH to loose this weight. You should be eating more though. Twelve hundred calories is no where near enough for your systems to work the way you want them to and to loose the weight you want. Twelve hundred calories a day is what I consume at the end of my diet before a show. I can't imagine trying to function on that as an everyday intake.

Don't get discouraged though. You can do this, and you don't need to spend hours in the gym. Schedule yourself 45 minutes to one hour a day for 5 days. Incorporate interval training into a high rep full body resistance program and combine that with a proper diet of 6 meals a day with a mix of lean protein and complex carbs at each sitting and you will be well on your way. I have a client that I am currently working with who has similar goals as you. I put him on a program as I mentioned above, and in 4 weeks he has lost 3 1/2 inches off his waist, 12 pounds and feels great. There is no magic pill when it comes to weight loss. It's eating clean and exercising. You just need to work it into you life so that it becomes the way you live your life. There will always be ups and downs, but if you commit to it, you will succeed. Good Luck!!

[deannescollard]

And as ps said, don't forget the cheat day. People find that very hard to grasp ... eat more to lose weight. You have to bump that calorie intake up every week so that your body doesn't adapt to what you are doing. If you don't want to fall off the junk wagon, just eat more of the good stuff you are eating throughout the week. It doesn't have to be pizza and icecream, though that is a lot more fun!

[BMOC]

Originally posted by deannescollard
As everyone here has said, please do not follow the advice of your friend. You don't need anything like HGH to loose this weight. You should be eating more though. Twelve hundred calories is no where near enough for your systems to work the way you want them to and to loose the weight you want. Twelve hundred calories a day is what I consume at the end of my diet before a show. I can't imagine trying to function on that as an everyday intake.

Don't get discouraged though. You can do this, and you don't need to spend hours in the gym. Schedule yourself 45 minutes to one hour a day for 5 days. Incorporate interval training into a high rep full body resistance program and combine that with a proper diet of 6 meals a day with a mix of lean protein and complex carbs at each sitting and you will be well on your way. I have a client that I am currently working with who has similar goals as you. I put him on a program as I mentioned above, and in 4 weeks he has lost 3 1/2 inches off his waist, 12 pounds and feels great. There is no magic pill when it comes to weight loss. It's eating clean and exercising. You just need to work it into you life so that it becomes the way you live your life. There will always be ups and downs, but if you commit to it, you will succeed. Good Luck!!

1200 cals is nothing you are losing alotta unecessary muscle eating that little even at the end of your diet before a contest...you would lose more muscle than fat eating that few cals everyday IMO...

[egger]

Actualyl 1200 cals is how many cals I recomend for a female at the end of a bodybuilding diet. Thats the bare minimum. I don't recomend these crazzy cheat days either. I mean its one thing to add a cheat meal or to fluctuate calorie intake but its another thing to eat 1500 cals a day for 6 days and then gho crazzy and eat 6000-10000 on ur cheat day. I can remember back in 1994 on my 1st diet. I got burned out from dieting so I said Ill have a cheat meal at pizza delight and then all off a sudden about 10000 calories latter I was done. Took me 2 weeks to get back to where I was before that cheat meal. The thing with dieting (well for me at least is controling cravings and having enough energy to perform. If I eat junk like pizzy and ice cream I simply cant stop and will want to eat forever. Its like once u taste it its all over no control. Thats why I try to eat low glycemic carbs always on a diet and alot more protein and avoid these cheat meals/days. I simply adjust my cals so that if I need more I eat more. If i am not training hard that day or doing less cardio I eat less.

My cal intake would normally fluctuate from about 1800 to 3000 on my diet with about 2200 being the avg at the end of it when I am trying to lose as much as possible. At the start 3000 a day and I am losing like crazyy. Now that its off season I aim for about 4000 a day on avg so that I don't get fat to fast.

[deannescollard]

Twelve hundred calories at the end of my diet has worked great for me for the two contests I have done, but to get back to it, the point was that 1200 is too few calories for the everyday life of an active, weight training individual. The result is a slowed metabolism and stalled weight loss.

The food part of proper weight loss and healthy living is just as important as the weight training. There is a lot to learn about good nutrition and there is a tonne of good info out there. Research and read everything you can, and plan your eating and your workouts. The more knowledge you have the better your chances of success.

[BMOC]

I would rather eat enough cals in the form protein and EFA's and then add some xtra cardio in if necesary rather than starve and lose muscle mass. Losing muscle sucks, i guess it depends on weight and leanbody mass too. But when u have alotta muscle mass you need to eat alot more calories anyways in order to maintain it and not piss away muscle mass...My LBM is like 238 lbs so if i was to diet on less than 3400-3500 cals that would be stupid especially since i would burn 600-800 ED from a cardio session and than a bunch more from my workout. I think its better to keep the cals in there and let the cardio burn the fat. If u create too much of a deficit you are gonna waste away...

If i ate 1800 cals greg i would look like an one of those starving kids on the world vision commercials

[egger]

yes 1800 would we way too low for a guy of 238 lean mass. I am way way smaller then that however.

[Iris72]

La Express diet center has their diet geared to women at the same weight for 1200 cals. I looked at it because I am about the same age and weight. It seems a little low, and once you start eating off the diet isn't your met. totally dropped, you'll just yoyo back up? I can see why she's thinking about because everything out there is set up for her to fail?!

[Demonwolf]

Originally Posted by Rrrrolla

Ummm... I think someone has led you astray, the drugs you are proposing are NOT needed AT ALL to accomplish your goals. No matter what you put in your body drug wise, you will not lose weight if your diet is off as much as it must be.

What you need to do first is tell us EXACTLY what your current diet consists of, if you cannot and you eat variably from day to day, and connot even tell us a macro-nutrient approximate breakdown of your diet, you are on the way wrong path.

Do not touch any of those drugs, please! Even hgh is a huge mistake at this point. You need to stick around here and do alot more diet research I suspect. The drugs are only used for the purpose of holdig muscle while you diet, and you don't need them to reach your goals. Look for information on CKD diets, they are the most efficient diets for fat loss and muscle retention. Give yourself 16 weeks to reach your goal, and stick to your diet religiously.

Ditto!